If I wanted to use a third party firewall,any reccomendations?

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PC Tools Firewall Plus, version 7.0.0.123 (only this version)
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Hi Claudiu,

PC Tools Firewall Plus is not a good idea, it is not longer supported, for you information.

Kind regards,
Tom
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Not being supported is not a critical issue with firewalls; they do not rely on signature updates;

PC tools Firewall is not listed in "  Programs to remove before installing Trend Micro security", see here:

https://esupport.trendmicro.com/en-us/home/pages/technical-support/1061023.aspx


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Hi Cladiu,

It is not a good advice to people to use a program what on the most sites they have stop the Download option, because it is not supported since 2013 anymore. So i find a site where they have it still  for download and try it to install it on my Win 10 pro 64Bits machine, but after the install, it starts ton initialize and after a few minutes you got a screen from PC tools that there is a error that is not specified!
So my advice is to use the windows firewall and stop advising that program!

Kind regards,
Tom

PS sorry it is in Dutch ;)
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As I specified earlier, I am using Win 7 / 64 bit and Win 7 / 32 bit .

I do not know if PC Tools Firewall Plus is compatible wit Win10 (most likely not)

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Hi ,

I think do not need .

only active windows firewall and choose boost firewall in trend micro setting .

Regards ,

Amir
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Windows Firewall is a "one way firewall" , that means will allow ALL outbound connections.

If a malicious item , not detected by Trend, tries to send info outside, Win firewall will never alert

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Hi @chrlshlmn, happy holidays!

For your question, we're unable to recommend you on using a third party firewall with Trend Micro Security from a personal device security point of view. 

As Amir mentioned, you can active Windows Firewall and turn on Firewall Booster of Trend Micro Security to protect your computer.
Frequently Ask Questions (FAQ) about Firewall Booster of Trend Micro Security software

Please let us know if your concern has been addressed by us. Thank you!

Trend Micro Home Users Community
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"turn on Firewall Booster of Trend Micro Security" will not make Windows Firewall a TWO WAY firewall; again, if a malicious item not detected by Trend tries to send info about your PC to outside world , you will never get an alert.

If not a third party firewall, at least something which can manage the existing Windows firewall, such as TinyWall, or Windows Firewall Control.

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Hi claudiu,

You say 2 times here, that windows Firewall does nothing with the outgoing connections
But my win 10 Firewall has about 100 rules for outbound connections, those are programs and services, that are the only won that may have a Outbound connection! And i am sure win 7 has the same Firewall
Every other Outbound connection must be created by a trusted program by you installed, else you got a warning!
The most of those rules are preset by windows.
And you can easily put some new Rules there and also Delete if you want.
Always first make a restore point!

Kind regards,
Tom
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Hi Tom,

Please read here:

http://www.ghacks.net/2016/05/02/block-all-outbound-traffic-in-windows-firewall/

"Windows Firewall is the default software firewall of the Windows operating system. It is enabled automatically after installation unless another firewall has been installed already and taken over.

The firewall is configured for convenience and not maximum protection by default.  Microsoft configured the firewall to block all incoming connections and allow all outgoing connections except for those for which rules exist by default.

Any program for which no outbound rule exists may send data from the local computer to hosts on the Internet.

Programs with phone home functionality, regardless of whether it is designed to check for updates or other purposes, is allowed to do so by default.

Windows users may also want to be aware of what is happening in the background on their system in regards to outbound connections, as it may reveal useful information about programs and their behavior."


For the average user , the firewall will allow ALL OUTBOUND CONNECTIONS and will BLOCK ALL INBOUND connection for which a rule doesn't exist.

Is extremely difficult to create a rule without  a pop up from firewall to tell you which program is trying to connect outbound and where.

Hence the need a third party firewall.

Thanks!

Claudiu

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Hi Clauiu,

Did some testing again, you are right about the outbound connections with the Win Firewall. I don't now TM detect outgoing traffic somehow. But tested if it is easy to do by myself, no that will not work. So tested the 2 you suggest, TinyWall was not really easy to use. So tried Windows Firewall Control and that was a better option, but still for the regular PC user it is still not easy but let it on my PC for further testing.
So for people that wants also grip on outbound traffic it is something to use.
However not something for the normal PC user.
But i think MS should do more with there own Firewall. (make more automatic rules in/out for the regular programs and block the rest!)
Hope some Tech from TM can tell us more what TM does with Outbound connections. I was a fan from the firewall that TM had for years in their own program!
Hope to here from TM!

Kind regards,
Tom
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Hi Claudiu and Tom, 

Firewall Booster feature of Trend Micro Security is intended to provide network vulnerability detection and anti-botnet protection for both of inbound and outbound connections. It monitors all of the incoming and outgoing traffics and blocks every malicious behavior and program when detected.

However, since Firewall Booster feature was not designed for replacing Firewall program, there's no setting for you to make rules for specific ports or block specific programs.

Hope this clarified your questions, thank you!

Trend Micro Home Users Community
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Hi Linda,

Thanks for clarifying the Booster feature, now i uninstall my test of  Windows Firewall Control, i was already 2 days busy to let regular programs to go on the internet and i think it cost me several days more to finish that.
So i go back to the old situation, only TM en Win Firewall.
Thanks again.

Kind regards,
Tom

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